https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=86.28.203.224SSS Wiki - User contributions [en]2026-11-06T05:42:22ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.32.0https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Cable_and_Launch_Equipment&diff=102Cable and Launch Equipment2010-05-16T11:51:33Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Steel cable==<br />
*We use steel cable to launch with rather than Dyneema, or Skyrope. Dyneema is expensive (2-3 times the cost of steel cable) and would probably only result in launches 100 foot or so higher than we achieve with steel cable. It's unlikely that it would last as long as the steel cable does.<br />
*Skyrope is a polypropylene rope that Skylaunch have started to offer. Its roughly the same cost as steel cable, and may give slightly higher launches. However, the size of our winch drums would restrict us to only about 1000 metres of Skyrope (our field is almost a mile long), so we'd get less height.<br />
*The steel cable we use is 4.5mm diameter, of 7x7 construction, and typically 1500 metres comes on a drum. <br />
* We have bought the last couple of drums of steel cable from Skylaunch. Price was £311 (incl VAT) each. Plus £50 for delivery on a pallet.<br />
*Two drums of cable were purchased in April 2009 (and fitted to the Skybrid winch shortly afterwards) Two more drums of cable were purchased in April 2010 in readiness to replace the Skybrid cables again (this winch has been used almost exclusively to do all the launches)<br />
*Previous supplier was Cosalt, Birkenhead branch. Contact: Ton Sedgwick on 0151 650 5606. The last price obtained from them was in March 2009: £364 per 1500m drum.<br />
<br />
==Parachutes/Drogues==<br />
<br />
==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides==<br />
We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have been used, but over time they seem to stretch, and they are more expensive than the Quick Links (aka "Maillon Rapides" - an oval steel loop with a threaded metal nut that joins the ends of the loop) to replace when work out / squashed through the Winch Rollers.<br />
*As of 2009 we have used load rated Maillon Rapides. These should be done up with a spanner, hence spanners being attached to the winches.<br />
*The ones we use are manufactured by Maillon Rapide, Type: PPENZ10. "10mm Standard Shape Galvanised Mild Steel Maillon Rapide (Quick link)"<br />
* Spec: Height 89mm, Width internal 20.5mm, Gate Opening 12mm, Conformity: EN362, EN12275. Type Breaking Load: 55kN / Working Load Limit (WLL) 1100kg<br />
*They are available Mail Ordered from [http://www.abaris.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=289/ Abaris International] (01484 768277) Price £4.09 (incl VAT) each.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Cable_and_Launch_Equipment&diff=101Cable and Launch Equipment2010-05-16T11:51:08Z<p>86.28.203.224: /* Steel cable */</p>
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<div>==Steel cable==<br />
*We use steel cable to launch with rather than Dyneema, or Skyrope. Dyneema is expensive (2-3 times the cost of steel cable) and would probably only result in launches 100 foot or so higher than we achieve with steel cable. It's unlikely that it would last as long as the steel cable does.<br />
*Skyrope is a polypropylene rope that Skylaunch have started to offer. Its roughly the same cost as steel cable, and may give slightly higher launches. However, the size of our winch drums would restrict us to only about 1000 metres of Skyrope (our field is almost a mile long), so we'd get less height.<br />
*The steel cable we use is 4.5mm diameter, of 7x7 construction, and typically 1500 metres comes on a drum. <br />
* We have bought the last couple of drums of steel cable from Skylaunch. Price was £311 (incl VAT) each. Plus £50 for dleivery on a pallet.<br />
*Two drums of cable were purchased in April 2009 (and fitted to the Skybrid winch shortly afterwards) Two more drums of cable were purchased in April 2010 in readiness to replace the Skybrid cables again (this winch has been used almost exclusively to do all the launches)<br />
*Previous supplier was Cosalt, Birkenhead branch. Contact: Ton Sedgwick on 0151 650 5606. The last price obtained from them was in March 2009: £364 per 1500m drum.<br />
<br />
==Parachutes/Drogues==<br />
<br />
==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides==<br />
We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have been used, but over time they seem to stretch, and they are more expensive than the Quick Links (aka "Maillon Rapides" - an oval steel loop with a threaded metal nut that joins the ends of the loop) to replace when work out / squashed through the Winch Rollers.<br />
*As of 2009 we have used load rated Maillon Rapides. These should be done up with a spanner, hence spanners being attached to the winches.<br />
*The ones we use are manufactured by Maillon Rapide, Type: PPENZ10. "10mm Standard Shape Galvanised Mild Steel Maillon Rapide (Quick link)"<br />
* Spec: Height 89mm, Width internal 20.5mm, Gate Opening 12mm, Conformity: EN362, EN12275. Type Breaking Load: 55kN / Working Load Limit (WLL) 1100kg<br />
*They are available Mail Ordered from [http://www.abaris.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=289/ Abaris International] (01484 768277) Price £4.09 (incl VAT) each.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Cable_and_Launch_Equipment&diff=100Cable and Launch Equipment2010-05-16T11:50:38Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Steel cable==<br />
*We use steel cable to launch with rather than Dyneema, or Skyrope. Dyneema is expensive (2-3 times the cost of steel cable) and would probably only result in launches 100 foot or so higher than we achieve with steel cable. It's unlikely that it would last as long as the steel cable does.<br />
*Skyrope is a polypropylene rope that Skylaunch have started to offer. Its roughly the same cost as steel cable, and may give slightly higher launches. However, the size of our winch drums would restrict us to only about 1000 metres of Skyrope (our field is almost a mile long), so we'd get less height.<br />
*The steel cable we use is 4.5mm diameter, of 7x7 construction, and typically 1500 metres comes on a drum. <br />
* We have bought the last couple of drums of steel cable from Skylaunch. Price was £311 (incl VAT) each. Plus £50 for dleivery on a pallet.<br />
*Two drums of cable were purchased in April 2009 (and fitted to the Skybrid winch shortly afterwards) Two more drums of cable were purchased in April 2010 in readiness to replace the Skybrid cables again (this winch has been used almost exclusively to do all the launches)<br />
*Previous supplier was Cosalt, Birkenhead branch. Contact: Ton Sedgwick on 0151 650 5606. The last price obtained form them was in March 2009: £364 per 1500m drum.<br />
==Parachutes/Drogues==<br />
<br />
==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides==<br />
We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have been used, but over time they seem to stretch, and they are more expensive than the Quick Links (aka "Maillon Rapides" - an oval steel loop with a threaded metal nut that joins the ends of the loop) to replace when work out / squashed through the Winch Rollers.<br />
*As of 2009 we have used load rated Maillon Rapides. These should be done up with a spanner, hence spanners being attached to the winches.<br />
*The ones we use are manufactured by Maillon Rapide, Type: PPENZ10. "10mm Standard Shape Galvanised Mild Steel Maillon Rapide (Quick link)"<br />
* Spec: Height 89mm, Width internal 20.5mm, Gate Opening 12mm, Conformity: EN362, EN12275. Type Breaking Load: 55kN / Working Load Limit (WLL) 1100kg<br />
*They are available Mail Ordered from [http://www.abaris.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=289/ Abaris International] (01484 768277) Price £4.09 (incl VAT) each.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Cable_and_Launch_Equipment&diff=99Cable and Launch Equipment2010-05-16T11:40:48Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Steel cable==<br />
*We use steel cable to launch with rather than Dyneema, or Skyrope. Dyneema is expensive (2-3 times the cost of steel cable) and would probably only result in launches 100 foot or so higher than we achieve with steel cable. It's unlikely that it would last as long as the steel cable does.<br />
*Skyrope is a polypropylene rope that Skylaunch have started to offer. Its roughly the same cost as steel cable, and may give slightly higher launches. However, the size of our winch drums would restrict us to only about 1000 metres of Skyrope (our field is almost a mile long), so we'd get less height.<br />
*<br />
==Parachutes/Drogues==<br />
<br />
==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides==<br />
We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have been used, but over time they seem to stretch, and they are more expensive than the Quick Links (aka "Maillon Rapides" - an oval steel loop with a threaded metal nut that joins the ends of the loop) to replace when work out / squashed through the Winch Rollers.<br />
*As of 2009 we have used load rated Maillon Rapides. These should be done up with a spanner, hence spanners being attached to the winches.<br />
*The ones we use are manufactured by Maillon Rapide, Type: PPENZ10. "10mm Standard Shape Galvanised Mild Steel Maillon Rapide (Quick link)"<br />
* Spec: Height 89mm, Width internal 20.5mm, Gate Opening 12mm, Conformity: EN362, EN12275. Type Breaking Load: 55kN / Working Load Limit (WLL) 1100kg<br />
*They are available Mail Ordered from [http://www.abaris.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=289/ Abaris International] (01484 768277) Price £4.09 (incl VAT) each.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Cable_and_Launch_Equipment&diff=98Cable and Launch Equipment2010-05-16T11:29:48Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with '==Steel cable== ==Parachutes/Drogues== ==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides== We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have…'</p>
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<div>==Steel cable==<br />
<br />
==Parachutes/Drogues==<br />
<br />
==Quicklinks/Carabiners/Maillon Rapides==<br />
We use one of these to connect the drogue 'chute to the end of the winch cable. Carabiners have been used, but over time they seem to stretch, and they are more expensive than the Quick Links (aka "Maillon Rapides" - an oval steel loop with a threaded metal nut that joins the ends of the loop) to replace when work out / squashed through the Winch Rollers.<br />
*As of 2009 we have used load rated Maillon Rapides. These should be done up with a spanner, hence spanners being attached to the winches.<br />
*The ones we use are manufactured by Maillon Rapide, Type: PPENZ10. "10mm Standard Shape Galvanised Mild Steel Maillon Rapide (Quick link)"<br />
* Spec: Height 89mm, Width internal 20.5mm, Gate Opening 12mm, Conformity: EN362, EN12275. Type Breaking Load: 55kN / Working Load Limit (WLL) 1100kg<br />
*They are available Mail Ordered from [http://www.abaris.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=289/ Abaris International] (01484 768277) Price £4.09 (incl VAT) each.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Equipment&diff=97Equipment2010-05-16T11:13:24Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>== Winches ==<br />
[[Skybrid]]<br />
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[[Bus]]<br />
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[[Cable and Launch Equipment]]<br />
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== Vehicles ==<br />
[[Pajero]]<br />
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[[Land Rover]]<br />
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[[Roundout Bus]]<br />
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== Tools &amp; Supplies ==<br />
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[[Maintenance Schedule]]</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pajero&diff=96Pajero2010-05-06T15:46:23Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Mitsubishi Pajero==<br />
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==Pajero Details==<br />
Model: 0-L144GW NFT<br />
Serial No: L144G-3007380<br />
Original registration Number: G597SCG<br />
2477cc Diesel<br />
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==Data Sources==<br />
*Internet<br />
*Pajero Owner's Club Forum: [http://www.pocuk.com/forums/index.php]<br />
*The club has a Haynes manual for the Pajero. Should be on the book shelves.<br />
*There is also a CD-rom for a PC, with workshop data<br />
<br />
==Suppliers==<br />
* Miller Offroad: [http://www.milneroffroad.com/] Or: Tel: 01629 734411. We've used them for a number of parts, and the prices and service are good.<br />
*Fil's Pajero Parts - Nr Southampton<br />
*Local motor factors, such as Motorists Discount Centres. Newbury branch: 01635 42015<br />
*ebay<br />
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==Parts replaced / work done==<br />
*May 2010: Front driveshafts removed. Need new outer joints (gaiters have been split for some time), small slits on inner CV joint gaiters - joints look good, so just replace the gaiters). Partco can supply outer joint at £95 each. They can't supply inner cv joints, but they can send the driveshafts away for reconditioning at a price of £195 +VAT each. Milner offroad can supply the outer joints for £65 (we have the more expensive 25-spline CV joints), gaiters for £6, etc. It also required two new lower wishbone balljoints, one steering track rod end and new Anti-Roll bar bushes. Total bill, incl deliv and VAT comes to £224.<br />
*New front dampers fitted March 2010. A dramatic improvement!<br />
*Clutch replaced by Newbury 4x4 in Autumn 2008</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pajero&diff=95Pajero2010-04-16T10:42:10Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with '==Mitsubishi Pajero== ==Pajero Details== Model: 0-L144GW NFT Serial No: L144G-3007380 Original registration Number: G597SCG 2477cc Diesel ==Data Sources== *Internet *The club …'</p>
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<div>==Mitsubishi Pajero==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Pajero Details==<br />
Model: 0-L144GW NFT<br />
Serial No: L144G-3007380<br />
Original registration Number: G597SCG<br />
2477cc Diesel<br />
<br />
==Data Sources==<br />
*Internet<br />
*The club has a Haynes manual for the Pajero. Should be on the book shelves.<br />
*There is also a CD-rom for a PC, with workshop data<br />
<br />
==Suppliers==<br />
* Miller Offroad: [http://www.milneroffroad.com/] Or: Tel: 01629 734411. We've used them for a number of parts, and the prices and service are good.<br />
*Fil's Pajero Parts - Nr Southampton<br />
*Local motor factors, such as Motorists Discount Centres. Newbury branch: 01635 42015<br />
*ebay<br />
<br />
==Parts replaced / work done==<br />
*New CV joints are required on the front drive shafts. An attempt had been made to fit new gaiters to replace the split ones, but we had the wrong parts. The joints are now beginning to click on full lock. Milner price=£55-65 each for the outer joints. (two different types - 25 or 27 spline). They don't list the inner joints...<br />
*New front dampers fitted March 2010. A dramatic improvement!<br />
*Clutch replaced by Newbury 4x4 in Autumn 2008</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pontiac_400&diff=94Pontiac 4002010-04-12T09:47:46Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
The Pontiac 400 engine was obtained by the club in approx 2004 as a spare engine. It was installed into the "Bus Winch" in 2008 after the Oldsmobile 403 that had been installed broken a conrod, that in turn destroyed the block. The Pontiac engine always starts easily, even after being left untouched for months at a time, and gives good launches. <br />
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<br />
==Introduction==<br />
<br />
The Pontiac 400 was built in the USA between 1967 and 1979, produced power outputs between 200 to 300 BHP and was used in cars such as Pontiac Tempest, GTO, Firebirds, etc. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
* A simple web search can provide lots of useful information.<br />
* The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse. * Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data. <br />
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==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
With data taken from the Ultimate American V8 Book, the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. <br />
*Block casting number: 500557. Identified as 1976 Pontiac 400 engine. Further Block markings: GM-5<br />
*Cylinder heads: Casting numbers: 6X - identified as 1976-1977 Pontiac 400. Further head casting numbers: GM8<br />
*Exhaust manifolds: LHS (as viewed from sat in winch cab) 100027848. RHS 436002<br />
*By 1976, the US emissions regulations were greatly limiting the power output of the V8s. Hence, the factory power output for this engine is quoted as being 185BHP.<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from USautomotive (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* American Autoparts (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock.<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pontiac_400&diff=93Pontiac 4002010-04-12T09:47:04Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
The Pontiac 400 engine was obtained by the club in approx 2004 as a spare engine. It was installed into the "Bus Winch" in 2008 after the Oldsmobile 403 that had been installed broken a conrod, that in turn destroyed the block. The Pontiac engine always starts easily, even after being left untouched for months at a time, and gives good launches. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Introduction==<br />
<br />
The Pontiac 400 was built in the USA between 1967 and 1979, produced power outputs between 200 to 300 BHP and was used in cars such as Pontiac Tempest, GTO, Firebirds, etc. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
* A simple web search can provide lots of useful information.<br />
* The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse. * Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data. <br />
<br />
==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
With data taken from the Ultimate American V8 Book, the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. <br />
*Block casting number: 500557. Identified as 1976 Pontiac 400 engine. Further Block markings: GM-5<br />
*Cylinder heads: Casting numbers: 6X - identified as 1976-1977 Pontiac 400. Further head casting numbers: GM8<br />
*Exhaust manifolds: LHS (as viewed from sat in winch cab) 100027848. RHS 436002<br />
*By 1976, the US emissions regulations were greatly limiting the power output of the V8s. Hence, the factory power output for this engine is quoted as being 185BHP.<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from USautomotive (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* American Autoparts (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock.<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the Propane Gas Conversion page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pontiac_400&diff=92Pontiac 4002010-04-12T09:29:56Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
The Pontiac 400 engine was obtained by the club in approx 2004 as a spare engine. It was installed into the "Bus Winch" in 2008 after the Oldsmobile 403 that had been installed broken a conrod, that in turn destroyed the block. The Pontiac engine always starts easily, even after being left untouched for months at a time, and gives good launches. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Introduction==<br />
<br />
The Pontiac 400 was built in the USA between 1967 and 1979, produced power outputs between 200 to 300 BHP and was used in cars such as Pontiac Tempest, GTO, Firebirds, etc. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
* A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [1] and [2]<br />
* The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse. * Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data. <br />
<br />
==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on Identifying 455 Engine<br />
SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine's bottom end has been identified as being from an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM).<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from USautomotive (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* American Autoparts (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock.<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the Propane Gas Conversion page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Pontiac_400&diff=91Pontiac 4002010-04-12T09:22:57Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with ' ==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine== The Pontiac 400 engine was obtained by the club in approx 2004 as a spare engine. It was installed into the "Bus Winch" in 2008 after the Oldsmobile…'</p>
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<div><br />
==SSS's Pontiac 400 Engine==<br />
The Pontiac 400 engine was obtained by the club in approx 2004 as a spare engine. It was installed into the "Bus Winch" in 2008 after the Oldsmobile 403 that had been installed broken a conrod, that in turn destroyed the block. The Pontiac engine always starts easily, even after being left untouched for months at a time, and gives good launches. <br />
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455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine's bottom end has been identified as being from an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM). <br />
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*The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. <br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
*So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads.<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=89Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-07T13:28:14Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine's bottom end has been identified as being from an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM). <br />
<br />
*The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. <br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
*So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads.<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=88Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-07T13:27:35Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine's bottom end has been identified as being from an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM). <br />
<br />
*The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads.<br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=87Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-07T13:26:59Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine's bottom end has been identified as being from an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM). The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads.<br />
<br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=86Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-07T13:25:44Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine==<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536 <br />
<br>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br />
The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads.<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=85Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-07T13:25:00Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine==<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536 <p/><br />
<br>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br/><br />
<p> The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads. <p/><br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=84Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-07T13:23:24Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine==<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
<br>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br />
<p> The cylinder heads have a casting number of 411 873 on them, and the letter J. According to the "Ultimate American V8 engine data book", this means that the heads have come from a 1973-76 455 engine. So, it looks like we have the bottom end of a 1970 engine, and 1973-1976 cylinder heads. <br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Trailers&diff=83Trailers2010-04-02T21:47:25Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with '==K13 trailer== The K13 trailer has a German manufactured BWP rubber torsion bar axle and brake system. Part Number S2504. Apparently this was made in the early 1980s, and unfort…'</p>
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<div>==K13 trailer==<br />
The K13 trailer has a German manufactured BWP rubber torsion bar axle and brake system. Part Number S2504. Apparently this was made in the early 1980s, and unfortunately parts aren't available anymore. April 2010: The Brake Bowden cables and equaliser system were found to be completely rusted solid. Luckily the Bowden cables, known as the Non-Detacheable type (has a fitting with a square hole in the end) made for Knott brakes fit the BWP brake system. However, these might not be available for too many more years. If other brake parts are required, and can't be located secondhand the whole axle, brakes, hub (and possibly even the wheels) will have to be changed.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Aircraft&diff=82Aircraft2010-04-02T21:26:01Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>[[Trailers]]</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Aircraft&diff=81Aircraft2010-04-02T21:25:41Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with '[Trailers]'</p>
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<div>[Trailers]</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=80Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T15:15:27Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! <br />
! Skybrid Winch<br />
! Bus Winch<br />
! Bedford Prime Mover<br />
|-<br />
| Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator)<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
| Model 142 Electric<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
|-<br />
| Converter / Regulator<br />
| Model EB Ser. No.990519<br />
| Model EB Ser. No. 991124<br />
| Model EB-2 Ser. No.430930<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Mixer<br />
|<br />
|300APart. No CA300AM-50-2 Ser.No. 390602 <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Carburettor<br />
|CI-30 425<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*Impco's website is [http://www.impcotechnologies.com/ here]<br />
*Tinley Tech ([http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/ here]) supply Impco parts in the UK.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=79Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:38:06Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! <br />
! Skybrid Winch<br />
! Bus Winch<br />
! Bedford Prime Mover<br />
|-<br />
| Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator)<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
| Model 142 Electric<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
|-<br />
| Converter / Regulator<br />
| Model EB Ser. No.990519<br />
| Model EB Ser. No. 991124<br />
| Model EB-2 Ser. No.430930<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Mixer<br />
|<br />
|300APart. No CA300AM-50-2 Ser.No. 390602 <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Carburettor<br />
|CI-30 425<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=78Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:37:42Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! <br />
! Skybrid Winch<br />
! Bus Winch<br />
! Bedford Prime Mover<br />
|-<br />
| Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator)<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
| Model 142 Electric<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
|-<br />
| Converter / Regulator<br />
| Model EB Ser. No.990519<br />
| Model EB Ser. No. 991124<br />
| Model EB-2 Ser. No.430930<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Mixer<br />
|<br />
|300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|Gas Carburettor<br />
|CI-30 425<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=77Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:32:47Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
Green Winch Bus Winch Bedford<br />
<br />
Converter / Regulator Model EBSer. No. 990519 Model EBSer. No. 991124 Model EB-2Ser. No.430930<br />
Gas Mixer 300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
Gas Carburettor CI-30 425 <br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! <br />
! Skybrid Winch<br />
! Bus Winch<br />
! Bedford Prime Mover<br />
|-<br />
| Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator)<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
| Model 142 Electric<br />
| CI-38 Vacuum<br />
|-<br />
| row 2, cell 1<br />
| row 2, cell 2<br />
| row 2, cell 3<br />
|}</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=76Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:28:19Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
Green Winch Bus Winch Bedford<br />
Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator) CI-38Vacuum Model 142Electric CI-38Vacuum<br />
Converter / Regulator Model EBSer. No. 990519 Model EBSer. No. 991124 Model EB-2Ser. No.430930<br />
Gas Mixer 300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
Gas Carburettor CI-30 425 <br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! <br />
! Skybrid Winch<br />
! Bus Winch<br />
! Bedford Prime Mover<br />
|-<br />
| row 1, cell 1<br />
| row 1, cell 2<br />
| row 1, cell 3<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| row 2, cell 1<br />
| row 2, cell 2<br />
| row 2, cell 3<br />
|}</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=75Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:23:38Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
Green Winch Bus Winch Bedford<br />
Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator) CI-38Vacuum Model 142Electric CI-38Vacuum<br />
Converter / Regulator Model EBSer. No. 990519 Model EBSer. No. 991124 Model EB-2Ser. No.430930<br />
Gas Mixer 300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
Gas Carburettor CI-30 425 <br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" border="1"<br />
|-<br />
! header 1<br />
! header 2<br />
! header 3<br />
|-<br />
| row 1, cell 1<br />
| row 1, cell 2<br />
| row 1, cell 3<br />
|-<br />
| row 2, cell 1<br />
| row 2, cell 2<br />
| row 2, cell 3<br />
|}</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=74Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:16:51Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
<br />
GAS SYSTEM PARTS (Impco)<br />
Green Winch Bus Winch Bedford<br />
Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator) CI-38Vacuum Model 142Electric CI-38Vacuum<br />
Converter / Regulator Model EBSer. No. 990519 Model EBSer. No. 991124 Model EB-2Ser. No.430930<br />
Gas Mixer 300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
Gas Carburettor CI-30 425 <br />
<br />
<br />
GASKET SETS Fel-Pro</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Propane_Gas_Conversion&diff=73Propane Gas Conversion2010-04-02T14:15:51Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with 'Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the B…'</p>
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<div>Three engines at SSS have been converted (from Petrol) to run on Propane: The Oldsmobile 455 engine in the Skybrid winch, the Pontiac 400 engine fitted to the Bus Winch and the Bedford engine fitted to the Prime Mover on the Bus Winch. All the conversion parts are made by Impco. <br />
Green Winch Bus Winch Bedford<br />
Fuel Lock (Gas Isolator) CI-38Vacuum Model 142Electric CI-38Vacuum<br />
Converter / Regulator Model EBSer. No. 990519 Model EBSer. No. 991124 Model EB-2Ser. No.430930<br />
Gas Mixer 300APart. No CA300AM-50-2Ser.No. 390602 <br />
Gas Carburettor CI-30 425</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=72Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:13:08Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<br />
<br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28<br />
<br />
==Propane Gas Conversion==<br />
See the [[Propane Gas Conversion]] page for details</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=71Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:10:10Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<br />
<br />
*Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
*The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=70Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:09:13Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]]<br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant.It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<br />
<br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=69Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:08:07Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]] <\p><br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. <br>It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<\br><br />
<br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=68Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:07:39Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]] <br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. <br>It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<\br><br />
<br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=67Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:06:57Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]] <br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. <br>It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<br />
<br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=66Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T14:06:09Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]] <br />
<br>SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass Supreme, 442, Delta 88. It'll have one of two compression ratios: 9:1 (320BHP @ 4200RPM and 500lbft @3200RPM) or 10.5:1 (365BHP @ 5000RPM and 500lbft @ 3200RPM)<br />
<br />
Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine. <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=65Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:55:17Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine==<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
<br>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=64Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:54:29Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine==<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
<p>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=63Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:53:41Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
==SSS's 455 engine===<br />
Using the data gathered from the web (shown below) SSS's Oldsmobile 455 engine has been identified as an Oldsmobile 455 engine, built in 1970 at the Lansing plant. It doesn't appear to have any of the features that would identify it as being from a Toronado (a front wheel drive car) so its likely its from one of the standard Oldsmobile RWD cars, such as a Cutlass, 442, etc... <br />
<p>Engine number (found at the front LHS of the engine block, just under the head-block interface, is 30M106536<br />
<p>The block casting number is found at the front top of the block just behind the water pump, to the right of the oil pressure sender unit. On this engine its 396021F - This casting number was used between 1968 and 1972 and is the most common big block type for the Olds 455 engine.<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=62Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:46:55Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=61Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:46:17Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
<p>Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=60Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:45:48Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
<br />
<br />
==http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm==<br />
===General Information===<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
<p>If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
===Year Differences ===<br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
==http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml==<br />
===Big Block Unit Numbers===<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
<p>1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
<p>Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
<p>Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
<p>For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
===Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976===<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
<p>Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
===Why Get a Toronado Engine?===<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
====How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine====<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Identifying_455_Engine&diff=59Identifying 455 Engine2010-04-02T13:39:44Z<p>86.28.203.224: Created page with 'How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine: Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010 http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm General Information N…'</p>
<hr />
<div>How to figure out the age of and type of Oldsmobile 455 engine:<br />
Info gathered from the web on Sunday 14th March 2010<br />
<br />
<br />
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofe455.htm<br />
General Information<br />
Note: The information contained in all of the "Engine Detail" sections should be read before proceeding with modifications, etc., because some information that applies to all engines, or all small blocks or all big blocks, might not be duplicated in every section. <br />
The 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to 400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left corner of the block and/or head. <br />
If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher. <br />
Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically 1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers (again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in. <br />
The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98. <br />
Year Differences <br />
According to my trusty Olds engine book, the 455 was available in 310 hp, 320 hp, 365 hp, 370 hp, 390 hp, all street engines, with full manufacturers warranties. The 455 is a very forgiving and long-lasting engine. To eek out more HP you can go with higher compression, which will prevent pump gas usage (highest stock 455 comp. was 10.5:1). To achieve this, use flat top pistons (butterfly cut), milling heads, and decking the block. This will yeild CR in the 14 range. However, you have to pay for it in wear and tear. <br />
455 engines through the years have some differences. Some have lower compression pistons, not an issue if you are getting new ones anyhow. Later blocks, typically with an Fa casting ID have lost the boss where the clutch z-bar used to mount, which affects only manual trans applications. If you are using it in AT car, all 455 blocks are pretty much fungible for street use. Rumors of rear-face "F0" etc. codes having more nickel, but no one can seem to document that. Some are more likely to have a Nodular crank, might even have a forged crank. Not likely though. <br />
<br />
http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com/38.shtml<br />
Big Block Unit Numbers<br />
Pre 1968 engines also had an engine unit number stamped on to the machined pad at the front of the RH head. I believe that the Toronado 425's started with a T rather than a V. <br />
V 001001 1965 400 442's<br />
V 100001 1966 400 442's<br />
V 200001 G 1967 400 4V 442's, including W-30<br />
V 200002 1967 400 2V 442's, [etc.?] Turnpike Cruiser <br />
1968 and up engines had an engine unit number stamped into the oil fill tube, the first digit of which will match the last digit of the car's year: 9012345 would be a 1969 engine [or 1979 small block]. Since this part is easily removed or replaced, use it for an indication, not a standard. No point in mentioning the oil fill tube decal with a 2-letter engine ID code, which is 99.99% of the time long gone, and easily replaced or faked anyway. <br />
Also starting in 1968, the VIN derivative of the engine's original car was stamped onto the vertical machined pad on the left side of the block, at the front, just under the head- block interface. It might look like "38M203456", where: <br />
3= Oldsmobile, GM's 3rd division [1=Chevy, 2=Pontiac , 4=Buick, etc.] <br />
8= year of issue last digit, like on oil fill tube [8=1968, 0=1970...] <br />
M= build plant [1, E, G, M, R, or Z; see below], and 203456= the last 6 digits of the original car's VIN. <br />
Build plant info was also used in the car's VIN plate [1 character] and body tag [up to 3 letters]. Some build plants were: 1 or OS= Oshawa, Canada, eh?; B or BA= Baltimore, MD; E or BL= Linden, NJ; G or FRA= Framingham, MA; K or KC= Kansas City, MO; LA, LAN, or M= Lansing, MI; R= Arlington, TX; BF or Z= Fremont, CA; <br />
That'll help ID the block year in case the heads are not original. <br />
For the purists: on the back of the block, near the distributor, is a 1 to 3 digit cast number, digits about 3/8", which is the Julian day of the year on which the block was cast [1 to 365]. It will generally match the Julian Day code cast into the heads, crankshaft, water pump, thermostat outlet, etc. within a few [up to 20-30] days, and precede the car's date of build by up to 30-40 days. <br />
<br />
Big Block Blocks 1965 - 1976<br />
<br />
<br />
Big Block Identification<br />
1. A big block measures 14" between the heads at the manifold base. <br />
2. Facing the front of the engine, at the top surface of the timing chain area, to the left of the oil fill tube, there is a code about 1.5" high followed by the casting number. A letter indicates a big block, a number indicates a small block. <br />
3. Big blocks have a little hump in that area, whereas the small blocks are flat the whole way across. <br />
<br />
ID/ Casting<br />
Code Year(s) CID Number Notes<br />
A '65 425 381917?? 1st year, big cars.<br />
386525<br />
B '65 400 389298 442 only, one year only.<br />
D '66 - '67 425 389244 Big-car engine. Toro is different internally.<br />
E '66 - '67 400 390925 442 engine [VERY rare].<br />
F '68 - '72 455 396021 Most common big block. Two types of "F"<br />
letters: stick type, and one with two vertical<br />
hangers and a base.<br />
Fa '72 - '76 455 396021 Very common big block.<br />
G '68 - '69 400 396026 442/Vista/etc. engine.<br />
L '76 455 231788 Motorhome, maybe marine also. GM made motorhomes<br />
from '73-8, maybe in all?<br />
Please refer to the Engines section as well! <br />
Look for the casting number and letter on the horizontal shelf right behind the water pump, just to the [driver's] right of the oil pressure sensor. The casting numbers are usually about ¾" - 1" tall, and the ID/Code is usually a bit larger, a little over an inch, and covered with schmutz. The most common block will be the standard 455: "396021 F" or "396021 Fa". The "a", as in Fa, is actually an upper case A, but about ¼ as big as the F, and subscript to the F [set lower]. Also, on the 231788L block, the "L" is the same size as most of the rest of the digits, whereas the center "7" is noticeably smaller. <br />
400's were bronze in color, most 425's and early 455's (1968, 1969) were red, while Toronado 425's and later 455's were blue. However, since engine color may have been changed, use this as supporting evidence only. <br />
<br />
Why Get a Toronado Engine?<br />
Toronado engines were generally the cream of the crop; equivalent [or very nearly] to the 442 and W-30 engines, yet often priced the same as more common and lesser quality engines in the junkyards. Equipped with the best parts- aluminized valves, closer tolerances, etc. <br />
For instance:<br />
· Big valve heads, thru 1971 anyway. <br />
· Highest compression pistons. <br />
· Oil deflectors ['windage trays'] were used thru 1972 or so. <br />
· Deeper oil pan holds an extra quart. <br />
Drawbacks to a Toronado engine: The oil filter mount will not fit other bodies; easy to change. The dipstick is slightly different in markings: the Full mark is the same, but the Add mark is about ¼" lower. Exhaust manifolds are not useful for any other application. <br />
[ Thanks to Chris Witt for this information ] <br />
<br />
<br />
How to Tell If It's a Toronado Engine<br />
Several clues are built in to identify a Toronado engine. If it's in a Toronado engine bay, that's a good indication. Toro's usually have a very lo-rise intake manifold; the carb appears sunk in about an inch below the normal position. If it's a pre 1968 engine, the engine ID stamped into the front of the RH cylinder head will tell. The Toro oil pan has a unique shape- it's narrower side to side in the sump area, an inch taller, and there's a clearance 'dent' just in front of the sump, where the RH drive axle passes under the engine. Also, the oil filter mount is angled quite forward, and one of the attaching bolts is quite long [about 3"]. <br />
Other evidence would be exhaust manifolds, if still attached, likely to have a letter code from the early alphabet, like D, H, G, J... and will point more up and out than a typical A-C bodied car would have room for. There might still be a motor mount attached to the timing cover, behind the harmonic damper. If the heads are off, say, for inspection before sale, measure the intake valves. That's what you are really after, anyhow. If the pan is off, check for the Toro windage trays on the front main cap and on the #4-5 main cap, as well as the crank scraper which runs down the RH side of the oil pan.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=58Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T13:38:31Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<p> With data taken from websites and the Ultimate American V8 Book the engine has been identified and its year of manufacture found. More here on [[Identifying 455 Engine]] <br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=57Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T13:31:40Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine is what Tost specified and supplied with the original winch. The 455 engine that is in the Skybrid winch came to the club in the "Bus Winch" It proved to be powerful and gave good launches, but the crankshaft broke. It was removed from the winch, and once rebuilt with a new crank, was installed into the "Green Winch" (the Tost winch that was painted green and mounted on the back of an Albion Reiver lorry. In late 2007 the winch was removed from the lorry and sent to Skylaunch for conversion)<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=56Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T12:35:12Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
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==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=55Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T12:34:20Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
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<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number)(about £11) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/home.htm/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=54Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T12:33:40Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters will work: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/home.htm/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock. Example of prices: Head gasket set £81, Distributor Cap £16, Rotor Arm £4, Condensor £4, Coil £28</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=53Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T12:31:20Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==<br />
* Oil filters are available from local parts factors (e.g Motorists Discount Centre, Newbury 01635 42015) But don't confuse the people by asking for a filter for an Olds 455 - simply ask for the filter by part number: Fram (the manufacturer's name) PH25 (the part number) or alternative, Fram PH3429. (Other info I have suggests the following makes/model numbers of filters: AC PF45, Motorcraft FL-331, Purolator L20123)<br />
* I have ordered parts from [http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/ USautomotive] (01234 273155). They're very helpful and have the parts in stock, or can get them quickly.<br />
* [http://www.americanautoparts.co.uk/home.htm/ American Autoparts] (01737 780888) are also very helpful and have most parts in stock.</div>86.28.203.224https://wiki.shalbournegliding.co.uk/members/wiki/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_455_data&diff=52Oldsmobile 455 data2010-04-02T12:02:56Z<p>86.28.203.224: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Introduction==<br />
The Oldsmobile 455 engine was built in the USA between 1968 to 1976, and produced power outputs between 210 to 400 BHP and was used in everything from Saloon Cars to Muscle cars. The 455 is known as a very forgiving and long-lasting engine, not to mention being powerful. Spare parts are still readily available for this engine, especially in the States. There are a number of companies in the UK who can supply parts off the shelf.<br />
<br />
==Sources of Information==<br />
*A simple web search can provide lots of useful information. Some good sites are: [http://www.442.com] and [http://tech.classicoldsmobile.com]<br />
*The Haynes Manual, Number 19025 "Buick, Olds, Pontiac Full Sized RWD models from 1970 to 1990" covers this engine. The club has a copy - should be on the bookshelf in the clubhouse.<br />
* Ultimate American V-eight engine data book, 1949-1974, Books 1949-1974 By Peter C. Sessler. Available new and used on [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-American-Engine-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760336814/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270209612&sr=8-1-fkmr0/ Amazon], but the text appears FOC in full online [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=USHwMwIIM1IC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=gm+411961&source=bl&ots=VOcspKrU88&sig=k8CLAHvbH-XUoFNapD4snnUUCaw&hl=en&ei=vtqxS6bBLueM4gaS-aHiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false/ here] on google books! Has information about all American V8 engines, a bit of background, etc, but - most usefully - how to identify and date an engine. Has block, head and manifold castings number information - an invaluable book when buying a replacement V8 engine. Also gives power and torque output data.<br />
==SSS's Oldsmobile 455 Engine==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Spare parts==</div>86.28.203.224